you gotta do more research before you spew your nonsense, you’re either clueless or brainwashed.

pieandhotdogs:

Sweety no. You’ve gotta look into a couple books on the history of the first few centuries of the common era instead of watching Zeitgeist twice and deciding to parrot back the false information of the New Age movement. We’ve got surviving letters from the early fathers of Christianity in the first and second centuries that discuss the date of the Annunciation, which they considered a much more important holiday than the nativity (which doesn’t show up in any written documents until the middle of the third century). The fathers wanted to place the Feast of the Annunciation at March 25th, so that it would be close to Passover, when Christ was said to have died. See, they connected the beginning of what they called the “age of grace” with the conception of Jesus, and they wanted to connect that to the culmination of his life at his crucifixion.

When the fathers start talking about possible dates for the Feast of the Nativity (Christmas) in the 3rd and 4th centuries, the Annunciation was already established in the liturgical calendars of the church. The discussions make almost no mention of Saturnalia or any pagan rites as a possible connection to the feasts, and in fact only mention the holidays in passing. A few dates are thrown out, December 25 and January 6 being the most popular (I believe Orthodox churches celebrate Christmas on the 6th still), and the Roman churches eventually settle on the December date to reflect the nine months after the Annunciation (which, remember, the early Christians considered far more important that the Nativity).

Now of course there are several cultural traditions that have nothing to do with the religious holiday itself (giving presents, decorations, that whole schtick), but that’s this lovely thing that anthropologists and sociologists like to call “syncretism” where two cultures in close proximity to one another transfer cultural customs back and forth, especially when a minority culture incorporates customs from the majority culture in order to blend in. Remember that by the time Christmas was established in liturgical calendars, Christianity was still a minority religion mostly confined to a few areas in the Roman empire,

The Christian church didn’t encounter those people who celebrated Yule until a few centuries after Christmas became an established feast day, so it’s nonsensical to claim that Christmas=Yule. Again, customs ended up being shared, this time the converting pagans bringing their customs with them and the Catholics allowing them to do so.

Next time you want to open your mouth, do everyone a favor and don’t.

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